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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Determined by the culture that produced the literature, especially the [[Epic Poetry | epic]], the heroic ideal represents the aspects of a hero that the culture upholds as representing the cultural ideal. Thus, while the [[hero]] represents a particular culture’s ideal located in place and time, much of how we currently observe as heroic is born of characteristics that many of these ancient heroes exemplify.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Determined by the culture that produced the literature, especially the [[Epic Poetry | epic]], the heroic ideal represents the aspects of a &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;hero&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;that the culture upholds as representing the cultural ideal. Thus, while the [[hero]] represents a particular culture’s ideal located in place and time, much of how we currently observe as heroic is born of characteristics that many of these ancient heroes exemplify.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[The Odyssey Summary:Book 11|book 11]] of the &#039;&#039;Odyssey&#039;&#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Gilgamesh&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Enkidu&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Achilles&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Patroclus&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;is slain by &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Hector&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]], the Trojan champion, &lt;/ins&gt;in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Odysseus&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[The Odyssey Summary:Book 11|book 11]] of the &#039;&#039;Odyssey&#039;&#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 10|book 10]] and [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 11|book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Elpenor&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 10|book 10]] and [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 11|book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Ilium|&lt;/ins&gt;Troy&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many cite this as Odysseus’ flaw, like [[Virgil]] and [[Dante]]. In the &#039;&#039;Aeneid&#039;&#039;, Ulysses is often seen as a loner: one who might be solely blamed for the fall of Troy: he is duplicitous and conniving, only out for his personal glory. Virgil upholds &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;pietas&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039; &lt;/del&gt;as the Roman heroic ideal: an ideal that emphasizes the eschewing of the hero’s personal wishes to favor instead the good of his community. Aeneas gives up his personal desire for Dido so that he might fulfill his duty to his people: the founding of Rome. The pilgrim Dante, too, becomes a scapegoat for Italians at the end of the middle ages; in &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[The Divine Comedy]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Dante suffers through Hell and Purgatory in order to show his people the way to Paradise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many cite this as Odysseus’ flaw, like [[Virgil]] and [[Dante]]. In the &#039;&#039;Aeneid&#039;&#039;, Ulysses is often seen as a loner: one who might be solely blamed for the fall of Troy: he is duplicitous and conniving, only out for his personal glory. Virgil upholds &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;pietas&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;|&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;pietas&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;as the Roman heroic ideal: an ideal that emphasizes the eschewing of the hero’s personal wishes to favor instead the good of his community. Aeneas gives up his personal desire for &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[&lt;/ins&gt;Dido&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/ins&gt;so that he might fulfill his duty to his people: the founding of Rome. The pilgrim Dante, too, becomes a scapegoat for Italians at the end of the middle ages; in &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[The Divine Comedy]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Dante suffers through Hell and Purgatory in order to show his people the way to Paradise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Similarly, the Anglo-Saxon epic &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[Beowulf]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; emphasizes the ideal of &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;comitatus&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;, a solidarity or allegiance between a warlord and his band of noble warriors: each agree to defend the other with their lives. Yet, while similar to Virgil’s heroic ideal, &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[&lt;/del&gt;Beowulf&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&lt;/del&gt;’s also emphasizes personal achievements and glory in superhuman feats that will be remembered in song, like his defeat of Grendel and his mother, and later the dragon.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Similarly, the Anglo-Saxon epic &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[Beowulf]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; emphasizes the ideal of &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[comitatus|&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;&lt;/ins&gt;comitatus&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;]]&lt;/ins&gt;, a solidarity or allegiance between a warlord and his band of noble warriors: each agree to defend the other with their lives. Yet, while similar to Virgil’s heroic ideal, &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&lt;/ins&gt;Beowulf&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&lt;/ins&gt;’s also emphasizes personal achievements and glory in superhuman feats that will be remembered in song, like his defeat of Grendel and his mother, and later the dragon.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Determined by the culture that produced the literature, especially the [[Epic Poetry | epic]], the heroic ideal represents the aspects of a hero that the culture upholds as representing the cultural ideal. Thus, while the [[hero]] represents a particular culture’s ideal located in place and time, much of how we currently observe as heroic is born of characteristics that many of these ancient heroes exemplify.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Determined by the culture that produced the literature, especially the [[Epic Poetry | epic]], the heroic ideal represents the aspects of a hero that the culture upholds as representing the cultural ideal. Thus, while the [[hero]] represents a particular culture’s ideal located in place and time, much of how we currently observe as heroic is born of characteristics that many of these ancient heroes exemplify.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &#039;&#039;Odyssey&#039;&#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The Odyssey Summary:&lt;/ins&gt;Book &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;11|book &lt;/ins&gt;11]] of the &#039;&#039;Odyssey&#039;&#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 10|book 10]] and [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 11|book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 10|book 10]] and [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 11|book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Glucas</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>Glucas at 15:29, 10 November 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-11-10T15:29:40Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Odyssey&amp;#039;&amp;#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Odyssey&amp;#039;&amp;#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 10|book 10]] and [[The Odyssey Summary:&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Book11&lt;/del&gt;|book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[The Odyssey Summary:Book 10|book 10]] and [[The Odyssey Summary:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Book 11&lt;/ins&gt;|book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many cite this as Odysseus’ flaw, like [[Virgil]] and [[Dante]]. In the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Aeneid&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, Ulysses is often seen as a loner: one who might be solely blamed for the fall of Troy: he is duplicitous and conniving, only out for his personal glory. Virgil upholds &amp;#039;&amp;#039;pietas&amp;#039;&amp;#039; as the Roman heroic ideal: an ideal that emphasizes the eschewing of the hero’s personal wishes to favor instead the good of his community. Aeneas gives up his personal desire for Dido so that he might fulfill his duty to his people: the founding of Rome. The pilgrim Dante, too, becomes a scapegoat for Italians at the end of the middle ages; in &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[The Divine Comedy]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Dante suffers through Hell and Purgatory in order to show his people the way to Paradise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many cite this as Odysseus’ flaw, like [[Virgil]] and [[Dante]]. In the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Aeneid&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, Ulysses is often seen as a loner: one who might be solely blamed for the fall of Troy: he is duplicitous and conniving, only out for his personal glory. Virgil upholds &amp;#039;&amp;#039;pietas&amp;#039;&amp;#039; as the Roman heroic ideal: an ideal that emphasizes the eschewing of the hero’s personal wishes to favor instead the good of his community. Aeneas gives up his personal desire for Dido so that he might fulfill his duty to his people: the founding of Rome. The pilgrim Dante, too, becomes a scapegoat for Italians at the end of the middle ages; in &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[The Divine Comedy]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Dante suffers through Hell and Purgatory in order to show his people the way to Paradise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Glucas</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://litwiki.org/index.php?title=Heroic_ideal&amp;diff=1893&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Glucas at 15:29, 10 November 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-11-10T15:29:11Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Odyssey&amp;#039;&amp;#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Odyssey&amp;#039;&amp;#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[book 10]] and [[book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The Odyssey Summary:Book 10|&lt;/ins&gt;book 10]] and [[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The Odyssey Summary:Book11|&lt;/ins&gt;book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many cite this as Odysseus’ flaw, like [[Virgil]] and [[Dante]]. In the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Aeneid&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, Ulysses is often seen as a loner: one who might be solely blamed for the fall of Troy: he is duplicitous and conniving, only out for his personal glory. Virgil upholds &amp;#039;&amp;#039;pietas&amp;#039;&amp;#039; as the Roman heroic ideal: an ideal that emphasizes the eschewing of the hero’s personal wishes to favor instead the good of his community. Aeneas gives up his personal desire for Dido so that he might fulfill his duty to his people: the founding of Rome. The pilgrim Dante, too, becomes a scapegoat for Italians at the end of the middle ages; in &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[The Divine Comedy]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Dante suffers through Hell and Purgatory in order to show his people the way to Paradise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many cite this as Odysseus’ flaw, like [[Virgil]] and [[Dante]]. In the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Aeneid&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, Ulysses is often seen as a loner: one who might be solely blamed for the fall of Troy: he is duplicitous and conniving, only out for his personal glory. Virgil upholds &amp;#039;&amp;#039;pietas&amp;#039;&amp;#039; as the Roman heroic ideal: an ideal that emphasizes the eschewing of the hero’s personal wishes to favor instead the good of his community. Aeneas gives up his personal desire for Dido so that he might fulfill his duty to his people: the founding of Rome. The pilgrim Dante, too, becomes a scapegoat for Italians at the end of the middle ages; in &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[The Divine Comedy]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Dante suffers through Hell and Purgatory in order to show his people the way to Paradise.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue03/features/diehard1.htm Happy Trails, Hans: Roy Rogers as the New Heroic Ideal] — Elizabeth J. Abele looks at the heroic ideal in contemporary American films.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue03/features/diehard1.htm Happy Trails, Hans: Roy Rogers as the New Heroic Ideal] — Elizabeth J. Abele looks at the heroic ideal in contemporary American films.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu/english/allen/hero.htm The Heroic Ideal in Beowulf] — by Rosemary Allen, Georgetown College.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu/english/allen/hero.htm The Heroic Ideal in Beowulf] — by Rosemary Allen, Georgetown College.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Glucas</name></author>
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		<title>Glucas at 19:46, 7 November 2004</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Determined by the culture that produced the literature, especially the [[Epic Poetry | epic]], the heroic ideal represents the aspects of a hero that the culture upholds as representing the cultural ideal. Thus, while the [[hero]] represents a particular culture’s ideal located in place and time, much of how we currently observe as heroic is born of characteristics that many of these ancient heroes exemplify.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Determined by the culture that produced the literature, especially the [[Epic Poetry | epic]], the heroic ideal represents the aspects of a hero that the culture upholds as representing the cultural ideal. Thus, while the [[hero]] represents a particular culture’s ideal located in place and time, much of how we currently observe as heroic is born of characteristics that many of these ancient heroes exemplify.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &#039;&#039;Odyssey&#039;&#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Rubens.jpg|thumb|Achilles and Hector, By Rubens]] &lt;/ins&gt;Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &#039;&#039;Odyssey&#039;&#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[book 10]] and [[book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[book 10]] and [[book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Glucas</name></author>
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		<title>Glucas at 19:10, 9 October 2004</title>
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		<updated>2004-10-09T19:10:02Z</updated>

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Determined by the culture that produced the literature, especially the [[Epic Poetry | epic]], the heroic ideal represents the aspects of a hero that the culture upholds as representing the cultural ideal. Thus, while the [[hero]] represents a particular culture’s ideal located in place and time, much of how we currently observe as heroic is born of characteristics that many of these ancient heroes exemplify.&lt;br /&gt;
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Much of the heroic ideal seems to be in how the culture defines human and the hero’s relationship to humanity. For instance, Gilgamesh had to learn that he is part of a culture, and to be a good leader, he must learn to value others’ lives as much as he values his own, or that of his friend Enkidu. Achilles, much like Gilgamesh, only learns this lesson when his friend Patroclus is slain by Hector in battle. Hector pays for this with his own life, and Achilles dies soon after. When Odysseus encounters the shade of Achilles in the Underworld ([[Book 11]] of the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Odyssey&amp;#039;&amp;#039;), the latter laments that he would rather have been a humble part of humanity than to be known for his personal feats in battle. There seems to be, then, a bittersweet quality to the hero: a hero, out of necessity, must represent the heroic values of its culture at a time of national importance or crisis, but because he must stand apart, he often laments his own inability to connect with the people he must save.&lt;br /&gt;
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Odysseus also stands apart, but must learn to value others, like Elpenor, who are sacrificed in order to make Odysseus the hero (cf. [[book 10]] and [[book 11]]). Odysseus, like Achilles, relies on his own abilities, and therefore does not trust anyone else fully. Perhaps Odysseus, had he shown more trust in his crew, would not have wandered the Mediterranean for 10 years after the fall of Troy. Yet, Odysseus’ intelligence and wiliness are characteristics that the later Homeric culture seemed to regard highly.&lt;br /&gt;
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Many cite this as Odysseus’ flaw, like [[Virgil]] and [[Dante]]. In the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Aeneid&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, Ulysses is often seen as a loner: one who might be solely blamed for the fall of Troy: he is duplicitous and conniving, only out for his personal glory. Virgil upholds &amp;#039;&amp;#039;pietas&amp;#039;&amp;#039; as the Roman heroic ideal: an ideal that emphasizes the eschewing of the hero’s personal wishes to favor instead the good of his community. Aeneas gives up his personal desire for Dido so that he might fulfill his duty to his people: the founding of Rome. The pilgrim Dante, too, becomes a scapegoat for Italians at the end of the middle ages; in &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[The Divine Comedy]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Dante suffers through Hell and Purgatory in order to show his people the way to Paradise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Similarly, the Anglo-Saxon epic &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[Beowulf]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; emphasizes the ideal of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;comitatus&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, a solidarity or allegiance between a warlord and his band of noble warriors: each agree to defend the other with their lives. Yet, while similar to Virgil’s heroic ideal, &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;[[Beowulf]]&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;’s also emphasizes personal achievements and glory in superhuman feats that will be remembered in song, like his defeat of Grendel and his mother, and later the dragon.&lt;br /&gt;
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== External Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* [http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue03/features/diehard1.htm Happy Trails, Hans: Roy Rogers as the New Heroic Ideal] — Elizabeth J. Abele looks at the heroic ideal in contemporary American films.&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://spider.georgetowncollege.edu/english/allen/hero.htm The Heroic Ideal in Beowulf] — by Rosemary Allen, Georgetown College.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Glucas</name></author>
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